https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249听见科技与人文的声音。由开发者 @枫影JustinYan 和 设计师 @自力hzlzh 主持的播客节目。 - Powered by RSSHubRSSHubcontact@rsshub.app (RSSHub)枫影JustinYan、自力hzlzhfalseenhttps://bts-image.xyzcdn.net/aHR0cHM6Ly9jZG4uanVzdGluYm90LmNvbS93cC1jb250ZW50L3VwbG9hZHMvMjAyMC8wMi9Qb2RjYXN0LUNvdmVyMTQwMC5wbmc=.png@smallhttps://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249Tue, 21 Apr 2026 04:42:52 GMT5<p><img src="https://cdn.justinbot.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/Podcast-Cover-v165_v2.png" alt="" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"></p><span></span><p><span>大家好，本期是我（Justin）做客《声东击西》和徐涛、junyu聊的关于OpenClaw，关于Vibe Coding的节目。</span></p><span></span><p><span>因为录制时间比</span><a href="https://justinyan.me/post/6639" data-url="https://justinyan.me/post/6639"><span>Vol. 164 从苹果聊到软件未来：Agentic Software 真的要来了？</span></a><span>要晚，部分内容我在164期中提过。我们在节目中从工程师、产品设计，以及写过代码的普通人视角，聊了OpenClaw也聊了Vibe Coding。</span></p><span></span><p><span>我感觉我们生活在这个时代是幸运的，能亲眼目睹这么多的科技变革，以及变革给我们的实际生活带来的天翻地覆的影响。</span></p><span></span><h2><span>本期人物</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>Junyu，豌豆荚联合创始人，连续创业者</span></li><span></span><li><span>Justin，《枫言枫语》主播，大厂资深工程师</span></li><span></span><li><span>徐涛，声动活泼联合创始人</span></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>主要话题</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="227">03:47</a> 从代码补全到 vibe coding：AI 如何改变了写代码这件事</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="620">10:20</a>「龙虾」如何惊艳到我们？它又真的有那么神吗？</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1628">27:08</a> vibe coding 给我们的自由，是哪种形态、由谁需要的自由</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2375">39:35</a> 公司的组织形态会因此发生怎样的改变</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3551">59:11</a> 机遇与挑战并存：这一代年轻人该怎么办</span></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>相关链接</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>《声东击西》官网: </span><a href="https://etw.fm/" data-url="https://etw.fm/"><span>etw.fm</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>7年前在《硅谷早知道》（现《科技早知道》）的一期节目: </span><a href="https://justinyan.me/post/3686" data-url="https://justinyan.me/post/3686"><span>Vol. 11 谈谈 WWDC 2019</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>幕后制作</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/hzlzh" data-url="https://twitter.com/hzlzh"><span>自力 hzlzh</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>后期: 静静</span></li><span></span><li><span>监制: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>联系我们</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>微信听友群：加</span><code><span>fyfyFM</span></code><span>进群</span></li><span></span><li><span>听众反馈: </span><a href="mailto:hi@fyfy.fm"><span>hi@fyfy.fm</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>节目收听方式</span></h2><span></span><p><span>推荐使用苹果Podcast, 小宇宙等播客客户端搜索</span><strong><span>“枫言枫语”</span></strong><span>来订阅收听本节目。</span></p><span></span><ul><span></span><li><a href="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249" data-url="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249"><span>小宇宙 - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast" data-url="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast"><span>直接订阅 Feed URL</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2" data-url="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2"><span>Apple iTunes Podcast - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span></ul>https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/69d514cc9e5a244ff4b4f2a7https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/69d514cc9e5a244ff4b4f2a7Tue, 07 Apr 2026 06:26:54 GMT1:07:20<p><img src="https://cdn.justinbot.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/Podcast164_v1.png" alt="" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"></p><span></span><p><span>苹果的WWDC26在今年6月8号准备召开，届时将首度揭晓苹果与Google合作，使用Gemini提升Siri体验的新方案。</span></p><span></span><p><span>苹果不仅能使用Gemini给基模能力羸弱的Siri带来质的飞跃，还准备开放一种全新的AI接入方式。此前只有ChatGPT能接入Siri，很期待看到WWDC26带来的新变化。</span></p><span></span><p><span>但与此同时，AI的发展仍在加速，三个月不动就变成山顶洞人，而苹果却还在延续过去的产品发布节奏。虽然近年Tim Cook通过预录制发布会以及官网直接上线的方式，理论上加速了苹果产品发布的频率，但和AI领域一日千里的速度比起来，仍然相形见绌。</span></p><span></span><p><span>现在大家都在说下一代软件是Agentic Software，也给苹果当前的App Review机制带来很大的挑战。我们在聊本期节目的时候，本来是想做“科技快乐星球”系列，但下半场话锋一转，我们转到了Agentic Software的方向，就这样把一期快乐星球聊成了瞎扯。</span></p><span></span><p><span>那就请各位听众朋友们，跟我们一起瞎扯吧！</span></p><span></span><h2><span>时间轴</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="25">00:00:25</a> 苹果产品动态与 WWDC26 展望</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="301">00:05:01</a> MacBook Neo 销量火爆</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="424">00:07:04</a> Apple Watch “房颤历史”功能大陆正式上线</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="520">00:08:40</a> Geekbench 出现 M5 Max 跑分记录</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="629">00:10:29</a> AI 时代的节奏与苹果的挑战</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="712">00:11:52</a> 英伟达黄仁勋的“卷王”模式</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="831">00:13:51</a> 顶级程序员在 AI 加持下生产力可放大百倍</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="940">00:15:40</a> Agentic Software：软件形态的范式转移</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1414">00:23:34</a> 脑洞：腾讯会议如果做成 Agentic Software</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1720">00:28:40</a> 传统软件厂商面临的挑战</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1866">00:31:06</a> AI 基础设施：算力 &amp; 存储</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2004">00:33:24</a> 英伟达供应链整合能力是核心竞争力</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2094">00:34:54</a> Vibe Coding 的实践心得与局限性</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2359">00:39:19</a> Prompt 的质量直接决定了 AI 输出的上限</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2402">00:40:02</a> 超长单任务的瓶颈</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2569">00:42:49</a> “想法-计划-执行-测试”的 Vibe 循环 </span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3971">01:06:11</a> 程序员能力的退化风险</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4060">01:07:40</a> AI 时代人才的重要能力：沟通能力</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4103">01:08:23</a> 企业开始寻找能与 AI 深度配合的 AI 原生人才</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="5088">01:24:48</a> 虚无感与“AI味”：人机协作的心理变迁</span></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>相关链接</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>节目中提到的书：</span><a href="https://book.douban.com/subject/37138107/" data-url="https://book.douban.com/subject/37138107/"><span>《英伟达之道》</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>幕后制作</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/hzlzh" data-url="https://twitter.com/hzlzh"><span>自力 hzlzh</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>后期: 静静</span></li><span></span><li><span>监制: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/hzlzh" data-url="https://twitter.com/hzlzh"><span>自力 hzlzh</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>联系我们</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>微信听友群：加</span><code><span>fyfyFM</span></code><span>进群</span></li><span></span><li><span>听众反馈: </span><a href="mailto:hi@fyfy.fm"><span>hi@fyfy.fm</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>节目收听方式</span></h2><span></span><p><span>推荐使用苹果Podcast, 小宇宙等播客客户端搜索</span><strong><span>“枫言枫语”</span></strong><span>来订阅收听本节目。</span></p><span></span><ul><span></span><li><a href="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249" data-url="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249"><span>小宇宙 - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast" data-url="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast"><span>直接订阅 Feed URL</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2" data-url="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2"><span>Apple iTunes Podcast - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span></ul>https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/69ce12ed3f2eedaaef3bf682https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/69ce12ed3f2eedaaef3bf682Wed, 01 Apr 2026 22:09:41 GMT1:54:47<p><img src="https://cdn.justinbot.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Podcast163_v1.png" alt="" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"></p><span></span><p><span>苹果三月份连着三天发布新产品，包括iPhone 17e，升级了芯片的iPad，MacBook系列，还带来一款全新的MacBook Neo。</span></p><span></span><p><span>不晓得这波发布的产品里有没有你的心头好呢？我们节目里聊吧。</span></p><span></span><h2><span>时间轴</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="0">00:00:00</a> 活动预告：Let's Vision 2026 将在上海举行</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="80">00:01:20</a> 苹果 2026 春季发布会</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="207">00:03:27</a> 三星最新防窥屏技术</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="461">00:07:41</a> iPhone 17e：价格是最大亮点</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="655">00:10:55</a> Action Button &amp; Siri Agent</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="784">00:13:04</a> iPad Air：适合远程 Vibe Coding</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1260">00:21:00</a> Studio Display 专业显示器</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1353">00:22:33</a> 苹果显示器的其他替代选择</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1661">00:27:41</a> MacBook Pro/Air &amp; M5 Pro/Max</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2232">00:37:12</a> AI Agent &amp; OpenClaw 火爆出圈</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2521">00:42:01</a> iPhone 18 会涨价吗？</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2785">00:46:25</a> 你的第一台苹果设备是什么？</span></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>幕后制作</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/hzlzh" data-url="https://twitter.com/hzlzh"><span>自力 hzlzh</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>后期: 静静</span></li><span></span><li><span>监制: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>联系我们</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>微信听友群：加</span><code><span>fyfyFM</span></code><span>进群</span></li><span></span><li><span>听众反馈: </span><a href="mailto:hi@fyfy.fm"><span>hi@fyfy.fm</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>节目收听方式</span></h2><span></span><p><span>推荐使用苹果Podcast, 小宇宙等播客客户端搜索</span><strong><span>“枫言枫语”</span></strong><span>来订阅收听本节目。</span></p><span></span><ul><span></span><li><a href="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249" data-url="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249"><span>小宇宙 - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast" data-url="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast"><span>直接订阅 Feed URL</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2" data-url="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2"><span>Apple iTunes Podcast - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span></ul>https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/69ae5edf9e77d8f89f930af5https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/69ae5edf9e77d8f89f930af5Sun, 08 Mar 2026 21:37:51 GMT0:48:00<p><img src="https://cdn.justinbot.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Podcast162_v1.png" alt="" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"></p><span></span><p><span>真·春节前最后一期啦🎉大家在回家的路上都还顺利吗？不管你在哪里过年，今年反正一堆国内外的大模型SOTA们都来给你贺新年啦🎆</span></p><span></span><p><span>祝大家新的一年龙马精神，马到成功！🧨</span></p><span></span><h2><span>时间轴</span></h2><span></span><p><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="47">00:00:47</a> Xcode 26.3 带来 Agentic Coding 功能</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="203">00:03:23</a> Sota 更新：Opus 4.6 与 GPT 5.3 Codex</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="597">00:09:57</a> AI 巨头动向与云端基础设施</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="809">00:13:29</a> 马斯克的太空算力与 Neuralink</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="894">00:14:54</a> 亚马逊披露持有 Anthropic 价值 600 亿美元股权</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1034">00:17:14</a> xAI 计划在 30 个月内将 AI 计算中心部署到太空</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1391">00:23:11</a> AI 驱动的产业变革：游戏、影视与外包</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1593">00:26:33</a> 印度 IT 外包模型面临 AI 挑战</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1642">00:27:22</a> 苹果收购以色列 AI 初创公司 Q.ai</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1772">00:29:32</a> AI Agent 的生活化应用与购物协议</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1772">00:29:32</a> Google 推出 UCP 支付开放协议</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1818">00:30:18</a> 阿里通义千问请喝奶茶活动</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1967">00:32:47</a> 国产 Sota 模型密集发布</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2013">00:33:33</a> 字节跳动 SeedDance 2.0 视频生成模型</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2493">00:41:33</a> 未来硬件与人机交互的畅想</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2563">00:42:43</a> OpenAI 正在研发智能耳机</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2694">00:44:54</a> 穿戴式录音装置与「数字分身」</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3002">00:50:02</a> Google 开源翻译模型</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3401">00:56:41</a> 马斯克 Optimus 机器人计划 2027 开售</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3447">00:57:27</a> 人类染色体 4D 图谱发布</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3525">00:58:45</a> 能源与基建竞争</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3680">01:01:20</a> 脑洞：用 200 公里光纤代替内存 “存储” 数据</span></p><span></span><h2><span>幕后制作</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/hzlzh" data-url="https://twitter.com/hzlzh"><span>自力 hzlzh</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>后期: 静静</span></li><span></span><li><span>监制: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>联系我们</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>微信听友群：加</span><code><span>fyfyFM</span></code><span>进群</span></li><span></span><li><span>听众反馈: </span><a href="mailto:hi@fyfy.fm"><span>hi@fyfy.fm</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>节目收听方式</span></h2><span></span><p><span>推荐使用苹果Podcast, 小宇宙等播客客户端搜索</span><strong><span>“枫言枫语”</span></strong><span>来订阅收听本节目。</span></p><span></span><ul><span></span><li><a href="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249" data-url="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249"><span>小宇宙 - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast" data-url="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast"><span>直接订阅 Feed URL</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2" data-url="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2"><span>Apple iTunes Podcast - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span></ul>https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/6991d374a22480add63bdbbchttps://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/6991d374a22480add63bdbbcSun, 15 Feb 2026 06:07:16 GMT1:05:24<p><img src="https://cdn.justinbot.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Podcast161_v1.png" alt="" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"></p><span></span><p><span>最近龙虾🦞OpenClaw非常火爆，从ClawdBot“进化”到MoltBot再“超进化”到OpenClaw，在社交网络像病毒般传播，甚至出现了龙虾们自己的AI社交网络MoltBook。关于这个“个人AI助理”到底有没有用，应该怎么用，也是争议不断。</span></p><span></span><p><span>OpenClaw火起来以后，也被黑产迅速盯上，直接在Skill里投毒，在公网接口中扫描和钓鱼，危险系数极高。</span></p><span></span><p><span>在这个背景下，我台主播Justin他开发了一个自己的Bot，一开始是因为不知道这个龙虾有什么用，后来发现应该做一个更适合自己的龙虾，于是有了本期节目。本来我们是想聊科技快乐星球来着，🦞只是聊个开头，但没想到一聊就停不下来，直接给大家滑跪拜个早年。🙇‍♂️</span></p><span></span><p><span>希望我们春节放假前还能再肝一期。先祝大家新春快乐🧨🎉</span></p><span></span><h2><span>时间轴</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="0">00:00:00</a> 开场</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="21">00:00:21</a> 一不小心科技快乐星球录成了龙虾专场</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="75">00:01:15</a> 感谢听友，本台小宇宙订阅突破 20000</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="108">00:01:48</a> OpenClaw 项目及其引发的思考</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="149">00:02:29</a> OpenClaw 的背景与故事</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="256">00:04:16</a> OpenClaw 的初体验与心得</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="377">00:06:17</a> Justin开发自己的 Claw 的经验</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="430">00:07:10</a> Agent 架构与传统软件的本质差异</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="690">00:11:30</a> Tool Calling、MCP与Skill的演进</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="877">00:14:37</a> Agent 的自我进化能力：自写Skill</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1222">00:20:22</a> Agent 的安全隐患与信任挑战</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1247">00:20:47</a> Justin 的 Agent 安全设计</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1643">00:27:23</a> Agent 带来的“随机惊喜”</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2070">00:34:30</a> Agent 的多模态能力与软件基石</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2249">00:37:29</a> “一人App”与定制化 Agent</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2418">00:40:18</a> Agent 时代的挑战与未来图景</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3177">00:52:57</a> Agent 的成本与效率</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3288">00:54:48</a> 入侵物理世界与超感官 AI</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3484">00:58:04</a> AI 的自我进化与潜在风险</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3792">01:03:12</a> Agent 时代下的开发与商业模式变革</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3970">01:06:10</a> Agent 辅助编程与开发效率</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4071">01:07:51</a> 传统 SaaS 服务的挑战</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4137">01:08:57</a> 产品开发理念的转变</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4451">01:14:11</a> Agent 时代的“心流”体验</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4987">01:23:07</a> 一边看春晚一边进行 Vibe Coding？</span></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>相关链接</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>节目中提到的龙虾🦞OpenClaw: </span><a href="https://openclaw.ai/" data-url="https://openclaw.ai/"><span>OpenClaw — Personal AI Assistant</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>幕后制作</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/hzlzh" data-url="https://twitter.com/hzlzh"><span>自力 hzlzh</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>后期: 静静</span></li><span></span><li><span>监制: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>联系我们</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>微信听友群：加</span><code><span>fyfyFM</span></code><span>进群</span></li><span></span><li><span>听众反馈: </span><a href="mailto:hi@fyfy.fm"><span>hi@fyfy.fm</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>节目收听方式</span></h2><span></span><p><span>推荐使用苹果Podcast, 小宇宙等播客客户端搜索</span><strong><span>“枫言枫语”</span></strong><span>来订阅收听本节目。</span></p><span></span><ul><span></span><li><a href="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249" data-url="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249"><span>小宇宙 - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast" data-url="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast"><span>直接订阅 Feed URL</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2" data-url="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2"><span>Apple iTunes Podcast - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span></ul>https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/698c9a2d66e2c30377102edfhttps://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/698c9a2d66e2c30377102edfWed, 11 Feb 2026 07:02:12 GMT1:24:13<p><img src="https://cdn.justinbot.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Podcast160_v1.png" alt="" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"></p><span></span><p><span>这都2026年2月啦😂！本来我们想策划做一个2025年的总结，但发现有点太难了，发生的事情特别多，而且年底又巨忙，最终我们就把Simon Willison的Blog post: The Year of LLMs结合我们自己过去一年的Vibe Coding经验聊了一期。提前祝各位听众姥爷们春节快乐哦🧨。</span></p><span></span><h2><span>时间轴</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="0">00:00:00</a> 播客主题从年度回顾</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="47">00:00:47</a> 早期AI写代码的局限性</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="107">00:01:47</a> 2025年AI编程进入YOLO模式</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="171">00:02:51</a> Simon Willison 大语言模型年度回顾</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="240">00:04:00</a> 推理之年 (Year of Reasoning)</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="440">00:07:20</a> Agent之年 (Year of Agent)</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="605">00:10:05</a> Coding Agent的飞速发展</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="821">00:13:41</a> AI搜索的演变</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="868">00:14:28</a> AI搜索的挑战与风险</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1666">00:27:46</a> YOLO模式并非常态化，存在潜在风险</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2234">00:37:14</a> Vibe Coding的普及吸引非程序员</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2993">00:49:53</a> AI对开发者的影响：提高效率、拓宽领域</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3160">00:52:40</a> Vibe Coding的“上瘾”机制</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3264">00:54:24</a> 提升Vibe Coding效率的关键实践</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3678">01:01:18</a> Talk is cheap, Show me the code</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3895">01:04:55</a> 程序员职业的未来</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4043">01:07:23</a> AI驱动的个人创造（NewsBot案例）</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4375">01:12:55</a> 个人知识库与独特品味的重要性</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4562">01:16:02</a> 模型小型化与本地部署趋势</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="6508">01:48:28</a> AI订阅费用与成本效益</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="6622">01:50:22</a> 中国AI模型的崛起</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="6645">01:50:45</a> 长任务（Long Tasks）的探索</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="6719">01:51:59</a> 提示词驱动图像编辑</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="6940">01:55:40</a> Simon Willison的个人实践：构建110个工具</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="7079">01:57:59</a> 在手机远程手机Vibe</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="6022">01:40:22</a> 提示词工程与语言的重要性</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="7293">02:01:33</a> 硬件与交互方式</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="7354">02:02:34</a> AI声音克隆的进步</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="7501">02:05:01</a> 应对AI焦虑与未来</span></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>相关链接</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>Simon Willison写的Blog </span><a href="https://simonwillison.net/2025/Dec/31/the-year-in-llms/" data-url="https://simonwillison.net/2025/Dec/31/the-year-in-llms/"><span>2025: The year in LLMs</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>节目中提到的Justin开发的小玩具: </span><a href="https://newsbot.justinyan.app/" data-url="https://newsbot.justinyan.app/"><span>NewsBot AI科技日报 - AI自动生成的科技资讯报告</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>一年多以前聊的AI写代码节目: </span><a href="https://fyfy.fm/episode/125" data-url="https://fyfy.fm/episode/125"><span>Vol. 125 AI终于能帮我们写代码了吗？</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://fyfy.fm/episode/150" data-url="https://fyfy.fm/episode/150"><span>Vol. 150 喵神onevcat: Vibe Coding及日本工作与生活</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>手机远程vibe工具： </span><a href="https://happy.engineering/" data-url="https://happy.engineering/"><span>Happy - Claude Code Mobile Client</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>幕后制作</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/hzlzh" data-url="https://twitter.com/hzlzh"><span>自力 hzlzh</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>后期: 静静</span></li><span></span><li><span>监制: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>联系我们</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>微信听友群：加</span><code><span>fyfyFM</span></code><span>进群</span></li><span></span><li><span>听众反馈: </span><a href="mailto:hi@fyfy.fm"><span>hi@fyfy.fm</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>节目收听方式</span></h2><span></span><p><span>推荐使用苹果Podcast, 小宇宙等播客客户端搜索</span><strong><span>“枫言枫语”</span></strong><span>来订阅收听本节目。</span></p><span></span><ul><span></span><li><a href="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249" data-url="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249"><span>小宇宙 - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast" data-url="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast"><span>直接订阅 Feed URL</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2" data-url="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2"><span>Apple iTunes Podcast - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span></ul>https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/698057412aaefd8defd5a7dahttps://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/698057412aaefd8defd5a7daSun, 01 Feb 2026 23:49:42 GMT2:07:10<p><img src="https://cdn.justinbot.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/Podcast159_v1.png" alt="" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"></p><span></span><p><span>上一期没聊完的本期继续，量大管饱。因为AI新闻出得太快我们都想改变“科技快乐星球”这个系列的节奏了。😂</span></p><span></span><h2><span>时间轴</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="56">00:00:56</a> Anthropic 推出Cowork</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="338">00:05:38</a> Apple与Google合作: Gemini赋能Siri </span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="871">00:14:31</a> OpenAI GPT-5.2与模型比较</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="987">00:16:27</a> Google Gemini更新与AI Native团队</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1331">00:22:11</a> Google与Apple推出优惠套餐</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1509">00:25:09</a> 大模型开源与闭源之争</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1632">00:27:12</a> Meta的音频编辑模型与视频生成技术</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1792">00:29:52</a> Google Gemini Deep Research</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1829">00:30:29</a> 机器人产业发展: 银河通用机器人，波士顿机器人，工厂机器人等</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2647">00:44:07</a> 汽车科技与半导体产业</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2824">00:47:04</a> 科学与前沿科技突破</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2895">00:48:15</a> 商业航天与太空竞赛: SpaceX推进IPO</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3177">00:52:57</a> 三星手机技术突破与盈利创新高</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3234">00:53:54</a> Spotify确认被拖库</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3307">00:55:07</a> 中国电动车海外市场与Google支持911视频直播</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3410">00:56:50</a> Tesla FSD与中国无人驾驶发展</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3553">00:59:13</a> Let’s Encrypt支持IP地址证书</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3612">01:00:12</a> 闲鱼二次元文化这么高的吗</span></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>幕后制作</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/hzlzh" data-url="https://twitter.com/hzlzh"><span>自力 hzlzh</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>后期: 静静</span></li><span></span><li><span>监制: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>联系我们</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>微信听友群：加</span><code><span>fyfyFM</span></code><span>进群</span></li><span></span><li><span>听众反馈: </span><a href="mailto:hi@fyfy.fm"><span>hi@fyfy.fm</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>节目收听方式</span></h2><span></span><p><span>推荐使用苹果Podcast, 小宇宙等播客客户端搜索</span><strong><span>“枫言枫语”</span></strong><span>来订阅收听本节目。</span></p><span></span><ul><span></span><li><a href="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249" data-url="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249"><span>小宇宙 - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast" data-url="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast"><span>直接订阅 Feed URL</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2" data-url="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2"><span>Apple iTunes Podcast - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span></ul>https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/696e0059109824f9e1540c10https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/696e0059109824f9e1540c10Mon, 19 Jan 2026 01:55:52 GMT1:05:53<p><img src="https://cdn.justinbot.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/Podcast158_v1.png" alt="" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"></p><span></span><p><span>AI 继续冲业绩，各种猛料四起，本期节目我们从老朋友苹果开始，到 Google 到 OpenAI，从海外SOTA到国内一线，近些年的 AI 波澜壮阔终于来到临近井喷阶段。这样风云变幻的时代，上一次应该还是在移动互联网起风的时候。非常有意思，也非常兴奋，所以我们在节目中时不时发散到不知哪里去了，一期节目录不完，还得下集再续。</span></p><span></span><p><span>好，废话不多说，我们直接科技快乐星球走起！</span></p><span></span><p><em><span>肥肠抱歉，本期节目上半部分Justin的录音机因故被mute掉了😂，只能使用耳机录制的备份版。辛苦各位听友要收听53分钟的渣音质了。🙇‍♂️</span></em></p><span></span><h2><span>时间轴</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="0">00:00:00</a> 开篇，首次尝试用AI生成节目大纲</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="101">00:01:41</a> Apple Music 与 ChatGPT 的合作</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="561">00:09:21</a> App Store 政策变化</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="887">00:14:47</a> AI大模型与公司竞争的市场格局变化</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1158">00:19:18</a> Sora 产品形态与市场表现，AI 起号现象</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1586">00:26:26</a> Gemini 的崛起与应用</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2282">00:38:02</a> 国内大模型快速迭代与激烈竞争</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2548">00:42:28</a> AI 对视频内容创作的影响</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3913">01:05:13</a> Gemini 崛起，市场份额发生变化</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4555">01:15:55</a> 高德地图的 AI 计划</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4726">01:18:46</a> AI 工作系统与 Agent</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="5040">01:24:00</a> OpenAI 新功能：分支功能、健康助理</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="5530">01:32:10</a> 电影行业与 AI 影响</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="5800">01:36:40</a> 意识与现实，模拟现实与 AGI</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="5995">01:39:55</a> AI 图像生成趋势</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="6033">01:40:33</a> 豆包日活破亿</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="6090">01:41:30</a> DeepSeek 发布 MHC 架构</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="6159">01:42:39</a> 字节推进AI手机合作</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="6198">01:43:18</a> Google Labs AI 助手 CC</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="6237">01:43:57</a> Google AI 实验浏览器 Disco</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="6355">01:45:55</a> GEO（生成引擎优化）</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="6467">01:47:47</a> 智谱推出 AI 编程工具</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="6494">01:48:14</a> Gemini 团队使用 Claude Code 解决问题</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="6753">01:52:33</a> Cloud Code 的产品定位与能力边界</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="6840">01:54:00</a> 本地电脑部署 Agent，通过手机远程指挥</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="7050">01:57:30</a> 2025 年十大 AI 提示词洞察</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="7127">01:58:47</a> “人生的意义”是人类永恒的话题</span></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>幕后制作</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/hzlzh" data-url="https://twitter.com/hzlzh"><span>自力 hzlzh</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>后期: 静静</span></li><span></span><li><span>监制: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/hzlzh" data-url="https://twitter.com/hzlzh"><span>自力 hzlzh</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>联系我们</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>微信听友群：加</span><code><span>fyfyFM</span></code><span>进群</span></li><span></span><li><span>听众反馈: </span><a href="mailto:hi@fyfy.fm"><span>hi@fyfy.fm</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>节目收听方式</span></h2><span></span><p><span>推荐使用苹果Podcast, 小宇宙等播客客户端搜索</span><strong><span>“枫言枫语”</span></strong><span>来订阅收听本节目。</span></p><span></span><ul><span></span><li><a href="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249" data-url="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249"><span>小宇宙 - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast" data-url="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast"><span>直接订阅 Feed URL</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2" data-url="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2"><span>Apple iTunes Podcast - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span></ul>https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/6968b916109824f9e1a0c9edhttps://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/6968b916109824f9e1a0c9edThu, 15 Jan 2026 01:51:29 GMT2:00:16<p><img src="https://cdn.justinbot.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/Podcast-Cover-v157.png" alt="" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"></p><span></span><p><span>最近智谱和MiniMax双双赴港上市，截至我们录音的时间，两家公司刚通过港交所聆讯。他们的招股书上也是透露了不少AI创业公司的信息，于是我们两位主播就一起读了一下。</span></p><span></span><p><span>招股书既有面向律师、投行等专业人士的部分，也有面向大众投资者介绍自家公司业务的部分，所以读起来不会太困难。这两家公司虽然实际上都属于中国创业团队，但他们不仅注册地不同，面向的用户群和业务路线也是截然相反。智谱是学术科研团队出身，主要面向国内政企公司，类似to B/G的做法。而MiniMax则是国内创业但主打出海，类似to C的做法。</span></p><span></span><p><span>相同的是这两家公司都有自己的大模型，也都有自己的AI原生产品，甚至是同样的非常烧钱。</span></p><span></span><p><span>最后还是保命声明一下，我们两位主播都不是大模型与金融专业人士，只是刚好看到这两家公司的招股书觉得有意思，所以我们来一起看个热闹。</span></p><span></span><p><em><span>P.S. 本期节目发布恰逢Manus被Meta收购，对于创始团队来说，一方面是卖了个好价钱，另一方面收购如果能保持独立运营相当于找到了稳定的资金来源，将是一大好事。不过以Meta过去收购案例来看，“保持独立”恐怕凶多吉少。总之恭喜Manus🎉</span></em></p><span></span><h2><span>时间轴</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="0">00:00:00</a> 开场</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="28">00:00:28</a> AI行业概览与市场格局</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="157">00:02:37</a> AI公司典型特征：高投入、高亏损、高预期</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="165">00:02:45</a> 全球AI市场领导者：OpenAI、Anthropic、Google</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="227">00:03:47</a> “AI六小龙”</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="251">00:04:11</a> 智谱与MiniMax公司概况</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="394">00:06:34</a> 智谱与MimiMax两家对比</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="520">00:08:40</a> 招股书获取途径：港交所官网</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="581">00:09:41</a> 招股书的法律效力与详细信息披露</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="900">00:15:00</a> 招股书披露了公司此前从未公开的盈利模式和运营数据</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="985">00:16:25</a> 两家公司均为亏损上市，AI大模型行业烧钱巨大</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1093">00:18:13</a> 招股书内容庞杂，实际阅读重点为概况、风险因素</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1273">00:21:13</a> MiniMax上市后将发行AB股，创始人可完全控制公司</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1404">00:23:24</a> MinMax公司定位：全球化AI大模型公司，面向全球市场，收入单位美元</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1579">00:26:19</a> 两家公司收入增长迅猛，但成本付出更快</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1690">00:28:10</a> 智谱期望成为B端调用的API“水和电”角色</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1727">00:28:47</a> 竞争优势：用自家模型开发AI产品，产品反哺模型进化</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1817">00:30:17</a> MiniMax团队特点：年轻化（平均年龄不到30岁），少于300人，管理模式创新</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2000">00:33:20</a> 智谱运营数据：机构用户数量高达8000+</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2147">00:35:47</a> 智谱本地化部署特点：服务周期长，不利于现金流回收</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2536">00:42:16</a> MiniMax70%收入来源于海外</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2548">00:42:28</a> MiniMax海螺AI和Talkie为主要收入来源，模型本身收入极少</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2640">00:44:00</a> MiniMax用户规模：MAU 从300万增长至2700万，累计用户达2亿</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3456">00:57:36</a> 亏损主因：研发投入巨大（买卡、推理成本、基础设施成本）</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4050">01:07:30</a> 国内大模型API竞争激烈，价格低廉导致亏损运营</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4291">01:11:31</a> 账面资金预计可支撑1-2年，AI行业变化速度快</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4590">01:16:30</a> OpenAI 的 AI 能力分级：L1 → L5</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="5072">01:24:32</a> 结论：两家公司各有优劣，未来发展不确定，AI行业变化巨大</span></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>幕后制作</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/hzlzh" data-url="https://twitter.com/hzlzh"><span>自力 hzlzh</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>后期: 静静</span></li><span></span><li><span>监制: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/hzlzh" data-url="https://twitter.com/hzlzh"><span>自力 hzlzh</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>联系我们</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>微信听友群：加</span><code><span>fyfyFM</span></code><span>进群</span></li><span></span><li><span>听众反馈: </span><a href="mailto:hi@fyfy.fm"><span>hi@fyfy.fm</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>节目收听方式</span></h2><span></span><p><span>推荐使用苹果Podcast, 小宇宙等播客客户端搜索</span><strong><span>“枫言枫语”</span></strong><span>来订阅收听本节目。</span></p><span></span><ul><span></span><li><a href="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249" data-url="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249"><span>小宇宙 - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast" data-url="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast"><span>直接订阅 Feed URL</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2" data-url="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2"><span>Apple iTunes Podcast - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span></ul>https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/69538d29fdc5373d71b0c390https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/69538d29fdc5373d71b0c390Tue, 30 Dec 2025 00:24:47 GMT1:42:17<p><img src="https://cdn.justinbot.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/Podcast156_v1-1.png" alt="" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"></p><span></span><p><span>哈喽大家好，又到了科技快乐星球时间！</span></p><span></span><p><span>最近各大厂商赶在年底各种发大模型新版，前有Claude Opus 4.5后有Google Gemini 3，今年下半年Google可以说是实力反超，Gemini大放异彩，尤其是Nano Banana Pro模型，秒杀一众P图软件。</span></p><span></span><p><span>在我们录音后没几天，OpenAI就放出了GPT 5.2，强力回应各大竞争对手。不过就没在本期内容里啦，我们后续再找时间来聊。</span></p><span></span><p><span>本期主播Justin感冒中录音，我们还聊了2个多小时，本期节目2hr9min，量大管饱，就让我们走进又快又欢乐的科技快乐星球！</span></p><span></span><h2><span>时间轴</span></h2><span></span><p><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="0">00:00:00</a> 开场</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="136">00:02:16</a> 苹果 App Store 年度应用大奖揭晓</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="230">00:03:50</a> 苹果上线网页版 App Store 与源码泄露</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="450">00:07:30</a> 苹果官网出现 AirTag 价格 Bug</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="540">00:09:00</a> Google 实现 Quick Share 与 AirDrop 的跨系统互通</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="660">00:11:00</a> 苹果 AI 与 增强版 Siri</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1030">00:17:10</a> 苹果高层与核心人员持续流失</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1300">00:21:40</a> Google、OpenAI、Anthropic 呈交替领先态势</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1350">00:22:30</a> Gemini Pro、Nano Banana 2、Claude 4.5</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1657">00:27:37</a> OpenAI 被迫加速 GPT 5.x 发布节奏</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1990">00:33:10</a> Meta、Grok、DeepSeek 均发布新模型</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2205">00:36:45</a> 阿里 Qwen 3、Z-Image Turbo、即梦Seedream 发布新模型</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2645">00:44:05</a> 豆包手机直接操作 App，引发对现有广告与平台商业模式的冲击</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3654">01:00:54</a> 豆包输入法切入中文输入法市场</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3925">01:05:25</a> ChatGPT 企业用户平均每日节省约1小时工作时间</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3987">01:06:27</a> AI 正在加速进入智能家居与清洁机器人领域</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4380">01:13:00</a> Google 发布 ALUMINUM OS 试图统一 ChromeOS 与 Android</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="5068">01:24:28</a> TPU 与自有算力体系成为大厂 AI 战略中的关键变量</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="5200">01:26:40</a> ChatGPT 推出购物、支付、群聊等功能</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="5460">01:31:00</a> AI 竞争已演变为模型、系统、硬件与商业模式的综合博弈</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="5700">01:35:00</a> 提效型 AI 无法自动带来颠覆，规则重写才是关键</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="5792">01:36:32</a> 育碧推出实验项目，让 NPC 成为真正队友</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="6180">01:43:00</a> 未来两三年 AI 发展仍将高度不稳定，任何结论都可能迅速过时</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="6490">01:48:10</a> 咬文嚼字发布 2025 年十大流行词</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="7272">02:01:12</a> Starlink 正式在韩国推出这个卫星互联网服务</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="7456">02:04:16</a> 币安推出 Binance Junior 面向青少年的应用</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="7627">02:07:07</a> 尾声</span></p><span></span><h2><span>幕后制作</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/hzlzh" data-url="https://twitter.com/hzlzh"><span>自力 hzlzh</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>后期: 静静</span></li><span></span><li><span>监制: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/hzlzh" data-url="https://twitter.com/hzlzh"><span>自力 hzlzh</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>联系我们</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>微信听友群：加</span><code><span>fyfyFM</span></code><span>进群</span></li><span></span><li><span>听众反馈: </span><a href="mailto:hi@fyfy.fm"><span>hi@fyfy.fm</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>节目收听方式</span></h2><span></span><p><span>推荐使用苹果Podcast, 小宇宙等播客客户端搜索</span><strong><span>“枫言枫语”</span></strong><span>来订阅收听本节目。</span></p><span></span><ul><span></span><li><a href="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249" data-url="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249"><span>小宇宙 - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast" data-url="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast"><span>直接订阅 Feed URL</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2" data-url="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2"><span>Apple iTunes Podcast - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span></ul>https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/693ece6e79debc3231e06f55https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/693ece6e79debc3231e06f55Sun, 14 Dec 2025 06:45:55 GMT2:09:10<p><img src="https://cdn.justinbot.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/Podcast-Cover-v155_v1.png" alt="" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"></p><span></span><p><span>哈喽大家好，又是好久不见的一期。事实上我台两位主播最近都在经历能量的低谷，或者说时间上的不充裕。所幸在我们复盘我台的节目策划的过程中，两位主播又重新获得了能量，开始了新一期节目的录制。</span></p><span></span><p><span>本期节目具有比较大的偶然性，我们本来规划要聊最近玩的几个有趣的硬件，但没想到麦克风一打开，画风就飘到了十里开外。我们很默契地都没有把话题拉回来，就任由它飞吧，有多远飞多远。</span></p><span></span><p><span>事实上在我们一起录制播客的初期，我们就是这样随性聊天的，只是后来成了一些系列节目之后，反而受到了制约。我台的豪华制作阵容一直就只有我们两个，再加上帮我们做剪辑的后期小姐姐静静算2.5人，这样的规模是没办法和专业团队比较的。我们没有节目策划，没有节目审校，也没有规划。我们平时都有自己要忙的事情，更没空进行集中的运营。</span></p><span></span><p><span>所以做播客对我们来说意味着什么？我们为什么喜欢做播客？我们为什么要一直录播客？过去几年，我们关注的话题从苹果，到读书，到邀请世界各地的科技从业者，到独立开发者，到AI，既跟我们个人的趣味，也跟世界的趋势息息相关。做播客，跟人聊天本身就是件挺有意思的事情。</span></p><span></span><p><span>虽然我(Justin)不太认为听播客能严肃地学到什么东西，但是听不同的人讲述跟我完全不同的视角，这本身即使一个颇具启发的过程。能够从中获得一些灵感，从而开启一场深入的思考，这样就很不错。</span></p><span></span><p><span>除了我们两位主播的能量低谷与时间贫困，我认为还有我们随着对既定议题的了解程度逐渐深入，好奇心在逐渐降低。现在我明白，不一定是对一件事情一无所知才能好奇。当我们逐渐了解一个行业，一个社会议题，一个群体之后，我们仍然能好奇每个人的不同点。这也许是我们最近讨论下来能重获好奇的一点。但具体是否符合预期，也得先试试。行动起来，我们将会发现，这个世界能让人产生好奇的还有无数个方向无数种人生。</span></p><span></span><blockquote><span></span><p><span>Stay hungry. Stay foolish.</span></p><span></span></blockquote><span></span><p><img src="https://cdn.justinbot.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/stay-hungry-stay-foolish-1.jpg" alt="" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"></p><span></span><h2><span>时间轴</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="0">00:00:00</a> 开场</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="6">00:00:06</a> 近期的拖更请听我狡辩</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="332">00:05:32</a> 关于视频播客</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="502">00:08:22</a> 播客热门话题从科技到商业、个人成长等</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="737">00:12:17</a> 心理学与自我成长的兴起</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1210">00:20:10</a> 小宇宙日活怎么算？</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1670">00:27:50</a> 当下人们的职业焦虑与意义追寻</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2149">00:35:49</a> 创业与独立开发的视角</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2393">00:39:53</a> 自我探索已日渐普及</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3434">00:57:14</a> 经济周期与春夏秋冬</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3696">01:01:36</a> 如何寻找“我想要”，王晚《送外卖》</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4207">01:10:07</a> 什么是向内，什么是向外</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4602">01:16:42</a> 工作与倦怠，如何寻找新时代的榜样</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="5374">01:29:34</a> 行动会带来蝴蝶效应</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="5479">01:31:19</a> 本期节目内容是个偶然</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="5821">01:37:01</a> 祝大家身体健康，我们下期再会</span></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>相关链接</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><a href="https://book.douban.com/subject/37462151/" data-url="https://book.douban.com/subject/37462151/"><span>王晚《跑外卖》</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/69241f8e17fe964592f664a5" data-url="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/69241f8e17fe964592f664a5"><span>E134.跑外卖：在加速的时间里，在算法和现实夹缝中逆行 - 面基</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lex-fridman-podcast/id1434243584" data-url="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lex-fridman-podcast/id1434243584"><span>Lex Fridman Podcast - Podcast - Apple Podcasts</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/680f52017a449ae85831a854" data-url="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/680f52017a449ae85831a854"><span>Vol. 140 Xmind创始人孙方: 我的烦恼越来越多，但我不烦恼了 - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://movie.douban.com/subject/36352371/" data-url="https://movie.douban.com/subject/36352371/"><span>同乐者 第一季 (豆瓣)</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>微信公众号同名: 枫言枫语</span></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>幕后制作</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/hzlzh" data-url="https://twitter.com/hzlzh"><span>自力 hzlzh</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>后期: 静静</span></li><span></span><li><span>监制: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>联系我们</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>微信听友群：加</span><code><span>fyfyFM</span></code><span>进群</span></li><span></span><li><span>听众反馈: </span><a href="mailto:hi@fyfy.fm"><span>hi@fyfy.fm</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>节目收听方式</span></h2><span></span><p><span>推荐使用苹果Podcast, 小宇宙等播客客户端搜索</span><strong><span>“枫言枫语”</span></strong><span>来订阅收听本节目。</span></p><span></span><ul><span></span><li><a href="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249" data-url="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249"><span>小宇宙 - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast" data-url="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast"><span>直接订阅 Feed URL</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2" data-url="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2"><span>Apple iTunes Podcast - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span></ul>https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/69365a4379debc32319e3c46https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/69365a4379debc32319e3c46Sun, 07 Dec 2025 20:54:13 GMT1:37:33<p><img src="https://cdn.justinbot.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/Podcast154_v1.png" alt="" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"></p><span></span><p><span>甚是想念之二😂</span></p><span></span><p><span>这期节目录制的时候NEO刚发布，结果现在又来个小鹏机器人，最近大家都开始卷机器人领域了，不错不错。</span></p><span></span><p><span>p.s. 节目录制时NEO机器人刚刚发布，次日MKBHD频道的视频介绍，该机器人演示视频为真人动作捕捉远程操作，并非实机演示，且交货日期是明年的某个未知时间。与该机器人发布视频令人兴奋之对比，这个真相未免有点残酷。</span></p><span></span><h2><span>时间轴</span></h2><span></span><p><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="28">00:00:28</a> 人形家务机器人 1X NEO 预售，约15万元</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="122">00:02:02</a> 机器人续航4小时，外形可能引发“恐怖谷效应”</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="333">00:05:33</a> 机器人联网与隐私担忧，离线模型的重要性</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="652">00:10:52</a> 机器人将替代重复性劳动，人类专注情感服务</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="890">00:14:50</a> OpenAI 进军音乐模型，挑战 Suno AI</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1491">00:24:51</a> OpenAI 推出 AI 浏览器 Atlas</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1948">00:32:28</a> Firefox 测试免费内置 VPN，主打隐私安全</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2046">00:34:06</a> Chrome 将加入原生垂直标签页功能</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2142">00:35:42</a> 微软与 OpenAI 重新达成协议，微软持股27%</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2219">00:36:59</a> GitHub 推出 AgentHQ，实现 AI 团队式协作写代码</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2425">00:40:25</a> DeepSeek 在加密交易与模型性能上表现亮眼</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2619">00:43:39</a> DeepSeek 发布开源 OCR 模型，性能超越传统方案</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2715">00:45:15</a> Claude 推出 Haiku 4.5，性能接近旗舰但成本更低</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2806">00:46:46</a> ChatGPT 开放成人内容限制，反击 Grok</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2953">00:49:13</a> AI 红绿灯系统以提升交通效率</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3055">00:50:55</a> 俄亥俄州禁止人类与AI结婚，反映伦理担忧</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3118">00:51:58</a> Sora 开放安卓预注册，好莱坞因版权风险开始反制</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3756">01:02:36</a> ChatGPT 推出即时结账功能，可直接完成支付</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3838">01:03:58</a> Claude 订阅体系引争议</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4151">01:09:11</a> Google 量子计算取得重要进展，误差率更低</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4203">01:10:03</a> Intel 发布 1.8nm 芯片，与 Apple M5 竞争</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4313">01:11:53</a> 影视飓风发布相机应用，展示团队商业化能力</span><br><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="5277">01:27:57</a> 太空反射镜计划提供夜间阳光</span></p><span></span><h2><span>幕后制作</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/hzlzh" data-url="https://twitter.com/hzlzh"><span>自力 hzlzh</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>后期: 静静</span></li><span></span><li><span>监制: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>联系我们</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>微信听友群：加</span><code><span>fyfyFM</span></code><span>进群</span></li><span></span><li><span>听众反馈: </span><a href="mailto:hi@fyfy.fm"><span>hi@fyfy.fm</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>节目收听方式</span></h2><span></span><p><span>推荐使用苹果Podcast, 小宇宙等播客客户端搜索</span><strong><span>“枫言枫语”</span></strong><span>来订阅收听本节目。</span></p><span></span><ul><span></span><li><a href="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249" data-url="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249"><span>小宇宙 - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast" data-url="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast"><span>直接订阅 Feed URL</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2" data-url="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2"><span>Apple iTunes Podcast - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span></ul>https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/6910a8823a52bb946f99dafchttps://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/6910a8823a52bb946f99dafcSun, 09 Nov 2025 06:35:25 GMT1:32:32<p><img src="https://cdn.justinbot.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/Podcast-Cover-v153.png" alt="" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"></p><span></span><p><span>好久不见，甚是想念！</span></p><span></span><p><span>国庆放了个长假，结果我台一放就一个月了😂</span></p><span></span><p><span>感谢小伙伴们的关注，催更已经收到，我们回来啦！</span></p><span></span><p><span>本期快乐星球，一下聊得有点嗨，分为两集播出，先让我们走进上集：苹果新闻。</span></p><span></span><p><span>自力也发布了新App: </span><a href="https://apps.apple.com/cn/app/id1584095090" data-url="https://apps.apple.com/cn/app/id1584095090"><span>2Camera</span></a><span>，在iPhone上支持两个摄像头同时拍摄，双份故事， 双倍精彩，一键合成录制画中画。欢迎各位小伙伴们下载试用👏。</span></p><span></span><h2><span>时间轴</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="0">00:00:00</a> 请听我拖更狡辩、AI新品密集发布</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="80">00:01:20</a> Apple Intelligence现状与体验问题</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="183">00:03:03</a> Xcode接入AI、苹果迭代节奏与挑战</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="257">00:04:17</a> iPhone 17热卖、iPhone Air受eSIM影响销量低迷</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="727">00:12:07</a> 个人双机需求、携号转网计划</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="986">00:16:26</a> iPhone Air停产、Presto无线升级技术</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1322">00:22:02</a> Tim Cook缅怀Steve Jobs、领导成绩、创新挑战</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1838">00:30:38</a> 美国科技经济韧性、AI泡沫</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1956">00:32:36</a> iPhone 17 Pro Max氧化传闻、Liquid Glass更新</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2255">00:37:35</a> iPhone 18相机按钮调整、护照数字化</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2599">00:43:19</a> 数据迁移、智能床垫、苹果MCP协议</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3110">00:51:50</a> 节目总结与下集预告</span></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>幕后制作</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/hzlzh" data-url="https://twitter.com/hzlzh"><span>自力 hzlzh</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>后期: 静静</span></li><span></span><li><span>监制: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>联系我们</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>微信听友群：加</span><code><span>fyfyFM</span></code><span>进群</span></li><span></span><li><span>听众反馈: </span><a href="mailto:hi@fyfy.fm"><span>hi@fyfy.fm</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>节目收听方式</span></h2><span></span><p><span>推荐使用苹果Podcast, 小宇宙等播客客户端搜索</span><strong><span>“枫言枫语”</span></strong><span>来订阅收听本节目。</span></p><span></span><ul><span></span><li><a href="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249" data-url="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249"><span>小宇宙 - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast" data-url="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast"><span>直接订阅 Feed URL</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2" data-url="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2"><span>Apple iTunes Podcast - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span></ul>https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/6908728748dbe0eb562faa76https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/6908728748dbe0eb562faa76Mon, 03 Nov 2025 01:06:08 GMT0:53:42<p><img src="https://cdn.justinbot.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Podcast-Cover-v150_cover.png" alt="" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"></p><span></span><p><span>迎中秋，庆国庆，各位听众姥爷们假期好🎉</span></p><span></span><p><span>最近OpenAI的Codex在写代码能力上追赶竞争对手Anthropic的Claude Code，还推出GPT-5-Codex专用模型，双方差距正在缩小。</span></p><span></span><p><span>Google推出Nano Banan（Gemini 2.5 Flash Image）文生图模型，因人像生成稳定，效果拔群。</span></p><span></span><p><span>阿里的Qwen3-Mac-Preview发布，成为国内首个超1万亿参数的大语言模型。</span></p><span></span><p><span>感觉今年国内的LLMs追赶速度很快，我们节目里聊聊。</span></p><span></span><h2><span>时间轴</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="0">00:00:00</a> 开场</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="32">00:00:32</a> iPhone 17系列预购与购买体验</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="229">00:03:49</a> 苹果或推出太阳眼镜大小的Vision Pro设备</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="243">00:04:03</a> Meta与Ray-Ban合作发布新款内置显示器的眼镜</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="484">00:08:04</a> iPhone 17系列支持25W无线快充</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="671">00:11:11</a> Xcode 26支持使用Claude模型</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="787">00:13:07</a> 苹果开发全新操作系统"Charismatic" 将用于智能家居设备</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="961">00:16:01</a> OpenAI 发布 GPT-5-Codex，大幅提升代码生成和审查能力</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1176">00:19:36</a> OpenAI 正式官宣ChatGPT的MCP功能上线。目前仅Plus和Pro用户可用</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1269">00:21:09</a> OpenAI 推出 GPT-5 Thinking 思考时间调节功能</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1805">00:30:05</a> OpenAI 正式向免费用户开放 ChatGPT Projects 功能</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1899">00:31:39</a> OpenAI CEO 透露 GPT-6 开发计划 将强化个性化与记忆功能</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1977">00:32:57</a> ChatGPT Real-time Voice Agent功能推出</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1363">00:22:43</a> Nano Banana在手办Prompt生成方面表现出色，细节保持度高</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1718">00:28:38</a> Nano Banana集成到Photoshop</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2139">00:35:39</a> 美团发布LongCat Flash Chat大语言模型</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2143">00:35:43</a> 阿里推出Qwen3 Max Preview，参数超万亿，能力强大且开源</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2197">00:36:37</a> 阿里推出魔改版VS Code插件Qoder</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2258">00:37:38</a> 中国实行AI生成内容标志办法，DeepSeek为AI内容添加标志</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2285">00:38:05</a> DeepSeek V3.1出现严重Bug，随机插入“极”字</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2415">00:40:15</a> DeepSeek V3.1与国产芯片</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2588">00:43:08</a> Anthropic推出Claude浏览器AI助手，可直接操作网页</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2595">00:43:15</a> Google将Gemini放入Chrome，但目前仅限美国地区 </span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2830">00:47:10</a> Anthropic CEO预测AI将在3-6个月内编写90%代码</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3097">00:51:37</a> Anthropic宣布Claude模型可主动终止危险对话</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3193">00:53:13</a> Perplexity提议340亿美元收购Google Chrome</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3226">00:53:46</a> AI智能穿戴硬件Looki发布</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3341">00:55:41</a> Meta考虑缩减AI部门规模，重组团队，壮大超级智能部门</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3455">00:57:35</a> 中国推出SIM卡大小的SSD，技术领先</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3480">00:58:00</a> ROG 枪神9笔记本支持快拆，方便升级硬件</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="4696">01:18:16</a> 祝大家国庆假期愉快🎉</span></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>幕后制作</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/hzlzh" data-url="https://twitter.com/hzlzh"><span>自力 hzlzh</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>后期: 静静</span></li><span></span><li><span>监制: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>联系我们</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>微信听友群：加</span><code><span>fyfyFM</span></code><span>进群</span></li><span></span><li><span>听众反馈: </span><a href="mailto:hi@fyfy.fm"><span>hi@fyfy.fm</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>节目收听方式</span></h2><span></span><p><span>推荐使用苹果Podcast, 小宇宙等播客客户端搜索</span><strong><span>“枫言枫语”</span></strong><span>来订阅收听本节目。</span></p><span></span><ul><span></span><li><a href="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249" data-url="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249"><span>小宇宙 - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast" data-url="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast"><span>直接订阅 Feed URL</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2" data-url="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2"><span>Apple iTunes Podcast - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span></ul>https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/68d51110b4befcf730e3ec2ehttps://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/68d51110b4befcf730e3ec2eThu, 25 Sep 2025 01:50:55 GMT1:18:27<p><img src="https://cdn.justinbot.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Podcast151_v1.png" alt="" referrerpolicy="no-referrer"></p><span></span><p><span>苹果秋季发布会昨天（2025年9月10日凌晨1点）在Cupertino召开，请了一堆媒体到Apple Park里的Steve Jobs Theater，结束后还有Hands-on时间，这两天大家应该能看到铺天盖地的第一时间上手视频。</span></p><span></span><p><span>发布会一共带来三个系列产品线更新:</span></p><span></span><p><span>备受瞩目的iPhone一口气带来四个型号: iPhone 17, iPhone Air, iPhone 17 Pro和iPhone 17 Pro Max。</span></p><span></span><p><span>AirPods Pro 3除了降噪与音质升级之外，还带来实时翻译，发布会效果惊艳。</span></p><span></span><p><span>Apple Watch也带来全面升级: Apple Watch S11, Ultra 3, SE 3，一次过发布三款型号，也是比较罕见。</span></p><span></span><p><span>苹果这两年在AI领域不太好过，被竞争对手吊打，今年WWDC25更没能如期交付去年的期货，备受各方媒体抱怨。于是这场发布会诚意十足，带来多款重磅升级，应该能提振一部分信心。</span></p><span></span><p><span>不过我们现在买iPhone也除了受限于Apple Intelligence的使用范围，还要考虑eSIM的支持程度，选择起来更复杂了。</span></p><span></span><p><span>那么听众朋友们，你们想买哪一款产品呢？欢迎在留言区一起交流哦。</span></p><span></span><h2><span>时间轴</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="0">00:00:00</a> 开场</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="51">00:00:51</a> 苹果发布会焦点: iPhone Air</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="184">00:03:04</a> 发布会开场，Tim Cook不从彩虹门走入</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="295">00:04:55</a> 多个讲解场景在各大Apple Store</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="380">00:06:20</a> AirPods Pro 3大升级: 降噪、音质提升，带来实时翻译</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="875">00:14:35</a> Apple Watch救命广告</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="954">00:15:54</a> Apple Watch全线产品升级Series 11，Ultra 3, SE 3</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1340">00:22:20</a> iPhone 17 来了！120Hz高刷屏</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1558">00:25:58</a> 万众瞩目全新产品，史上最薄iPhone: iPhone Air</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="1567">00:26:07</a> 国行首台纯eSIM iPhone</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2106">00:35:06</a> 回忆杀: Bumper居然回归了！</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2445">00:40:45</a> iPhone 17 Pro和Pro Max</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2547">00:42:27</a> 这波Pro机型堆料很猛</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="2975">00:49:35</a> 那么买哪台iPhone比较好呢？苹果AI？eSIM？价格对比？</span></li><span></span><li><span><a class="timestamp" data-timestamp="3697">01:01:37</a> 9月12日晚8点开售！</span></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>幕后制作</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>主播: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/hzlzh" data-url="https://twitter.com/hzlzh"><span>自力 hzlzh</span></a></li><span></span><li><span>后期: 静静</span></li><span></span><li><span>监制: </span><a href="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow" data-url="https://twitter.com/MapleShadow"><span>枫影 Justin Yan</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>联系我们</span></h2><span></span><ul><span></span><li><span>微信听友群：加</span><code><span>fyfyFM</span></code><span>进群</span></li><span></span><li><span>听众反馈: </span><a href="mailto:hi@fyfy.fm"><span>hi@fyfy.fm</span></a></li><span></span></ul><span></span><h2><span>节目收听方式</span></h2><span></span><p><span>推荐使用苹果Podcast, 小宇宙等播客客户端搜索</span><strong><span>“枫言枫语”</span></strong><span>来订阅收听本节目。</span></p><span></span><ul><span></span><li><a href="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249" data-url="https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/podcast/5e2864f5418a84a04628e249"><span>小宇宙 - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast" data-url="https://justinyan.me/feed/podcast"><span>直接订阅 Feed URL</span></a></li><span></span><li><a href="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2" data-url="https://itunes.apple.com/cn/podcast/%E6%9E%AB%E5%BD%B1justinyan/id1069600190?mt=2"><span>Apple iTunes Podcast - 枫言枫语</span></a></li><span></span></ul>https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/68c2b864f11c7016b9b18874https://www.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/episode/68c2b864f11c7016b9b18874Thu, 11 Sep 2025 03:50:03 GMT1:06:28